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Fatma :
I'm Turkish, true. Those women were forcibly held there, smuggled for Sultan's pleasure. It's true that they received salaries and they weren't forced to convert BUT they had to, in order to live better. Their lives weren't important, all slaves. And what matters the most is freedom, being able to live as you wish.
2025-07-18 15:02:47
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ckementsetsidou :
Yet they romanticise it..
2025-07-18 06:26:22
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🥥 🩰 🕊️ :
☪️ancer 🇹🇷ancer
2025-07-18 13:20:51
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📖 Mira Ella Ludwig 💗 :
My Turkish girls in the comments… be a girls girl. As half Turkish girl myself, I know that the Ottoman Empire did TERRIBLE things to us WOMEN!!! You don’t have to act like Turkish men were all great. They weren’t and still to this day arent. The only time our country was actually in a good state was when Ataturk was the leader.
2025-07-18 09:21:18
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❀ 𝙺𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚖𝚎𝚎𝚕 🫦 :
Religion of peace
2025-07-19 11:41:38
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ℒ⋆⋆ଘꕤ🎀 :
people act like the ottoman empire was all rainbows and sunshine
2025-07-18 10:08:00
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marsy :
of course there is name of the Mohammad above the door
2025-07-18 16:52:22
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augustfandi :
In the years when people were spoils of war, when women had difficulty accessing education, when they didn't have much opportunity to travel abroad, it was a place where women captured from war entered the intellectual world. I admit it was a cage, but their lives wouldn't have been any better if they hadn't been there. it doesn't make sense to talk as "if women were traveling from country to country like Marco Polo or pursuing science, but the Ottoman sultans had put them in a cage". Not all of the girls were there for the sultan. Those who left the palace and married the Enderun students formed the Ottoman aristocracy. Those raised in the Harem or the Enderun demonstrated their quality when they left the palace through their education, posture, and speech. The wife of one of my mother's very distant relatives once lived in the harem (both of whom are no longer alive, lol). That woman was called "the palace aunt." I don't find it romantic to force people into a place, but in a world where slavery was widespread, we're talking about a system that gives people opportunities, rather than treating them like slaves, oppressing them, and treating them as inferiors. They always have a chance to rise. The same goes for the Enderun. In this state, even the eunuchs became grand viziers. Outside, the public lacked this education and equipment. Many of the sultanas you admire grew up within this system and kept their names alive forever. Some girls, with their good math skills, became responsible for the harem treasury, while others became midwives and physicians... conditions were different from today. They also didn't force anyone to convert to Islam. It was part of their education, but there was never any compulsion.
2025-07-18 07:31:16
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⚡️🇭🇺⚡️ :
religion of peace they say...
2025-07-20 06:44:46
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Uglymouse04 :
Not propaganda this is the truth let’s not defend the sultans they were horrible HORRIBLE
2025-07-18 07:54:50
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🎀 :
I’m Turk and I’m not proud of the bad side of Turkish history. But you guys need to remember that every country has done unspeakable things in the past. Thats what history is. Just because of the history what happened long time ago doesn’t mean we need to hate each other. I can’t possibly imagine hating someone just because of their ethnicity or because of their country’s history. It should end with us not repeating history.
2025-07-18 08:50:05
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amn :
religion 🥀
2025-07-19 04:51:20
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ន𝑟ⲣ𝑠𝘬ꪖ┋🌍🍝 :
as a Serb, I wish people studied more about the ottomans crimes
2025-07-18 11:57:02
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moishirin :
I think that the girls brought to harem must have been happy and satisfied with the situation cause the sultan gave them a house ( one of the most extravagant one ) and in general a life that only a queen could have lived ; you know it was such a hard time for a woman to live and the sultan prepared them a shelter
2025-07-18 18:21:41
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marie :
religion of peace🥀
2025-07-18 12:34:55
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Ђурђа 🌊 :
and people romanticise hurrem story🤡🤡🤡
2025-07-18 16:54:29
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Straight To Facts :
Ottoman Empire did atrocities in Egypt too. It’s not even that they forced people to convert. It’s that the Sultan forced himself on any woman he wanted, Muslim or not.
2025-07-18 12:43:29
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Jenny :
Forceful conversion to Islam is extremely prevalent throughout history. People in the comments need to stop with their denial. It’s so disrespectful to the victims.
2025-07-18 17:08:01
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Reina :
So sad … They were taken away from their families and forced to spend their lives serving and pleasing rulers
2025-07-18 08:14:39
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Zara :
Everyone talks as if this was something unique to the Ottoman Empire. In reality, such injustices, restrictions, and terrifying conditions for women existed in almost every empire and patriarchal system. The denial of women’s rights and agency was not exclusive to the Ottomans
2025-07-19 04:10:52
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gülce<3 :
This is why we turks appreciate ATATURK
2025-07-18 10:19:03
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Kray 📚🏴 :
The institution of concubinage in the past amongst the ottomans and Muslims was similar to that of the institution of marriage + the enemies of Muslims and ottomans and etc did the same as well as killing lots of Muslims so in those days there was an economic necessity created for the concubinage class to help restore society + a concubine had rights (rights to property, free children, emancipation encouraged, rights to wealth, intimacy must come with her consent etc).
2025-07-18 09:12:11
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𓍼⋆⋆﹆𓂅 ✦ :
I went there and energy was heavy , a lot of negative emotions
2025-07-18 07:03:58
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šeher :
me when i make stuff up 😂
2025-07-18 12:11:50
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panamirany :
They lived their best lives. Life was much worse back in their hometown
2025-07-18 08:08:38
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