@philosophyminis: Are you a true patriot? Are you a good Muslim? Are you a proper #music fan? Well, first you must pass this test. You must look, believe, and behave a certain way. If not, well, then I'm afraid you can't call yourself that. These are examples of what the #philosopher Anthony Flew called the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy. Imagine there's someone called John who's reading the news about a bloody and terrible crime, and he says, ‘I can't believe a Scotsman would do such a thing.’ And the next day, a #Scotsman is, in fact, found guilty. And so, rather than admit he's wrong, John says, ‘Well, no true Scotsman would have done such a thing!’ This fallacy, known as ‘the appeal to purity,’ works in two ways. First, it assumes that there is an idealised version of something that we have to live up to. It says that there is one definition of a true Muslim , a true patriot, or a true #Beatles fan. Everyone else is just a fraud. Second, there is no way to actually satisfy the No True Scotsman fallacy, because if you provide a counterexample, then you are dismissed as an irrelevant data point. If you say, for example, ‘But I believe the country should be like this,’ then you're told, ‘Oh, well, you're not a pure patriot, then.’ But who are the gatekeepers of what makes a ‘true’ movie fan, a ‘true’ socialist, a ‘true’ philosopher, or, whatever. The No True Scotsman fallacy is bad #logic , bad #science , and it's really irritating. If you are told that you are not a ‘proper’ or a ‘true’ anything, then it's an example of the fallacy at play, and it's a call to look at the definitions that people are using.
Jonny Thomson
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Monday 17 February 2025 14:49:50 GMT
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phxntom :
the thing about this is that there actually IS a role model Muslim we are all taught as the standard. that's our Prophet Muhammad. 1/2
2025-02-17 16:39:44
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The Alchemist :
As a Muslim reading the comments , I can see many people have misunderstood the point he is making.
2025-02-17 19:15:28
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wixer :
Since you said true muslim; i just want to drop some information about the matter, not the philosophy you talked about in the video. There is a proper example in Islam; and he is the prophet (محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم). so when you sin, you'r stil a true muslim. but a sinned one, and that (the sin) can be forgiven; if you ask Allah to forgive you and don't do the sin agine. so my point here the 'No ture soctsman' philosophy can't really applied about islam.
2025-02-17 18:17:40
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Chvlll :
Bro flexed his Scottish accent on us. 😭
2025-02-17 17:54:40
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Aura :
I struggle so much with this as an autistic person
2025-02-17 15:04:47
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SpeakTruthToPower :
Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him....he was our ideal to follow.
2025-02-18 18:12:46
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GHOST_AFRIDI :
Islam has different sects so yea this is kinda true as a Muslim. but everyone has their own interpretation of Quran and hadith
2025-02-17 18:29:50
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Hep0nen :
So, if we say no true kilogram.. and then, if some supposed kilogram weights either less or more than a kilogram, is no true kilogram. And it's a fallacy.. now I'm confused
2025-02-17 21:04:28
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schlabulous glass :
people DID NOT get the point 😭😭😭
2025-02-18 09:41:51
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Hg_2e_ :
There have to be SOME category definitions for a category, otherwise it is a null set. Self definition into a set has to be dissuaded for analytic consistency. You can disagree with the category 1/2
2025-03-29 20:42:53
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melkoremperious :
To take this further, often people say “that’s not a way to live a life.” (Usually said as a negative judgement). How incorrect - currently there are 8.1 billion ways to live a life.
2025-02-17 17:00:31
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Will Hay MPhys :
Love the Scotsman accent! I think you can have a baseline criteria, like to be a Christian all you need to do is believe Jesus is the Son of God.
2025-03-29 21:10:43
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jojogirard3 :
Thank you for your posts. I enjoy the knowledge you pass on.
2025-02-17 15:36:55
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Marziy :
For men too, they keep referring the bad guys as ‘a boy’ and not ‘a man’😭
2025-02-18 10:30:14
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cumuronimbus :
more of the scottish accent please 😆
2025-02-17 18:22:52
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zom🐝vex :
I find your videos .. enlightening... thanks 😊
2025-02-17 15:10:31
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Carlos Mario Reyes :
I was waiting for an explanation like this for a long time, thank you so much 👍
2025-02-17 15:05:08
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jonathon :
The accent was great.
2025-02-20 02:45:22
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saarahturtle :
I think conversations about "integration" are a good application of this. it feels like the goalposts are always moving for what counts as "integrated" such that if can never be fulfilled
2025-02-17 23:24:27
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Hussin Alsajer :
the fallacy is built up on being subjective. Facts are not subjective and can be proven objective this is the solution for said fallacy.
2025-02-17 23:24:08
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SaulGoodman :
is this an anti Platonic position? if there are no ideals to live up to, then how do people compare if all comparisons are merely relative to something else?
2025-02-18 00:48:44
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Apollo :
very good video, I've been thinking about this for a while, if someone did something good they of us and if they did something bad they are of them
2025-02-17 19:38:08
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