@philosophyminis: A straw man is when you take somebody's argument and you make it so simplistic, or so exaggerated, that it makes for an easier target. For example, if an #atheist says that #Christianity is just worshipping some bearded man in the sky, well, that's a straw man, because barely any #Christian would accept that representation of their #religion . But the opposite of a #strawman is a steel man. And according to the late Daniel Dennett, it's one of the key ingredients for a good philosophical discussion. In 2013, #Dennett presented four rules for any good #philosophical debate. The first, and most important, is that you should 'attempt to express your target's position so clearly, vividly, and fairly that your target says things "I wish I thought of putting it that way."' Second, you should list all of the ways in which you and your partner agree on things. Third, you should recognise the ways in which your partner has taught you something new. And fourth, only then can you rebut or criticise their position. Key to all of this is to treat your opponent and their position with respect. If you read Plato's dialogues, you'll note that Socrates always presents his opponents with a steel man argument. A huge part of the dialogue involves #Socrates clarifying, laying out, and even strengthening the other person's position. Because what #Plato and Dennett both knew is that if you are to actually grow in your beliefs, we have to see #debate as a constructive act, and with good intentions. Debates are not adversarial opportunities to make your opponent look like an idiot. They are opportunities in which we can all become better, and grow.
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Saturday 10 May 2025 14:15:00 GMT
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Aline :
The thing is, both debaters have to be in the same level of intelligence and maturity.
2025-05-10 16:35:42
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Wandererer :
Socrates and Plato never had to deal with comment sections 😫
2025-05-10 21:54:32
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N the second :
It takes two SMART people to have an actual philosophical debate
2025-05-10 16:58:56
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Taddie big dude :
How about all religion is BS. Correct me and prove me wrong?
2025-05-10 14:34:40
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Morrog :
Fallacies are OP in low ELO
2025-05-11 13:44:39
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meawow007 :
I don’t argue to win, I argue to learn and find other views
2025-05-10 22:38:02
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Hon. Twine Rwakabi :
reductio ad absurdam is the other word for a straw man style.
2025-07-05 07:43:16
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Caveman2000 :
Beautiful
2025-05-11 08:14:06
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Steph_s :
But genuinely, do Christians not believe in a supernatural creater in the sky?
2025-05-11 09:26:45
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Filip :
honest question:
if Abrahamic religions isn't mainly about worshipping a farther figure in heaven, what else are those religions about?
2025-05-11 06:07:00
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ש :
I do this all the time and it works all the time
2025-05-10 14:30:44
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Dr HD Lawson-Myers :
Very interesting, being respectful is key…an art we seem to have lost
2025-05-20 15:15:59
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Tatiana Estévez :
I wish this was a key element of the “Socratic Method”. A lot of people online like to think they’re doing this, but they do this with bad faith arguments & it creates divide rather than understanding.
2025-05-10 14:53:26
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Tone32616 :
There is absolutely no point in debating. If a person is smart, he agrees with me. If he isn't - i just need to educate him.
2025-05-11 04:22:09
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Jacob - Papa Seahorse 🏳️⚧️🍉 :
you can only have this kind of debate with someone who actually wants to learn and grow. unfortunately, the current political climate isn't rife with that
2025-05-12 05:42:52
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Mark Joseph :
That requires people to debate in good faith, to be humble and intellectually honest. Which most people seem not to be these days.
2025-05-12 09:16:01
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The Football Connoisseur :
this is how arguments go in my head 😂
2025-06-19 16:48:27
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Nyukwaa :
😂😂😂 My new favourite page
2025-07-06 17:18:27
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polypigeon :
this is why i stopped arguing. too many sweats.
2025-05-11 10:03:28
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icscata :
Thank you for this great explanation! 👏🏻
2025-07-03 18:28:02
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FruityPie :
straw man? straw hat? MUGIWARA NO LUFFY 🔥🔥🔥🔥
2025-05-10 16:17:53
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