Christian Divyne
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wafaabouchou🔻 :
why are we treating children like they are accessories that everyone deserves to have yes even able bodied people sometimes shouldn't have kids so shouldn't the mental and physical and even the financial aspect be taken into consideration first before deciding to have them? it's a genuine question because lots of children when do they do end growing up complain about how miserable their childhoods have been so where does it end and how far are we to expand on the definiton of that word genuinely curious
2025-05-12 15:09:09
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icenerdy 🍉 :
I’m disabled (HEDS, POTS) my opinion on this is you can’t tell people they can’t have kids. I also think having a kid knowing they will likely be in pain their whole life is cruel. I am not having bio kids, it would be irresponsible to pass on my pain. But again nobody can tell people they can’t have kids. Everyone deserves that choice.
2025-05-12 14:38:45
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PizzL1zard :
thankyou for opening my mind to this.
2025-05-14 18:58:22
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Kayla 🧍♂️ :
I'm disabled and I can barely care for myself some days, I know I couldn't care for a child, so i don't want one. It's an ethics issue. I get the eugenics argument but that doesn't mean we can dismiss this completely.
2025-05-12 18:23:23
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smiddlesomething :
I’m disabled and chose not to reproduce because if I passed on my diseases….who will care for my child? I can’t. I’d want to, but I couldn’t afford the care they’d need. But they’d have been beautiful 💔
2025-05-12 16:05:28
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Mads :
The whole point isn't if its eugenics or not (it is), but it's to emphasize the fact that we cannot have an opinion on quality of life for a life we have never lived and experienced first hand. They still deserve to exist and they deserve the opportunity to thrive in society. My eyes have opened a lot with this conversation.
2025-05-12 14:35:17
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AppleheartTwo :
Who will physically take care of the child?
2025-05-12 14:56:30
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Daisy_RooMagnus_Too :
I think sometimes we need to understand that if we are pro choice and pro bodily autonomy, sometimes people will make reproductive choices we disagree with. it might make us uncomfortable but we have to allow everyone to be in charge of their own bodies.
2025-05-12 16:58:39
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Ulla Freja :
I'm 29 and I've never gotten a hug from from my mom. My mom is disabled. She is still alive. Sure, I've hugged her, but I've never in 29 years known what it's like to get a hug from my mother even though she is right here.. Think of your child and not what you want.
2025-05-12 21:45:23
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Mimsy Borogoves :
We are all one accident or one illness away from being disabled. Disability justice is for everyone
2025-05-12 15:39:26
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Sabrina Marie 🩵 :
I’m sorry but eugenics would be me saying I think the law shouldn’t allow them. I think they should have the choice. But I think the choice MORALLY was wrong
2025-05-12 20:44:47
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Sophie :
This is such a nuanced conversation tbh, like yes it can be considered eugenics, and eugenics on a large scale is wrong. But… I think there are some cases like this where the question of “is it ethical to have a disabled child when you are severely disabled?” Should come in
2025-05-13 00:52:57
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Lea :
As a disabled person who has an invisible disability (with no cure and very little treatment) and lived in an incredible amount of physical pain and discomfort 24/7, I think this discussion needs an even more detailed approach. There are disabilities where the quality of life is directly reliant on inclusivity, and ones where no matter how inclusive society is, life will still be awful and miserable. This is when I think it is irresponsible and selfish to bring a child into the world knowing that no matter what, they will be in pain and they will suffer physically without relief. I’m not talking about suffering and pain due to inaccessibility, I’m talking just pure physical discomfort. If my parents knew my life could turn out this physically painful on the daily and had me anyway, I would never forgive them. I don’t think it should be a law, or forced upon anyone, but based on the comments I think if you actually listened to disabled people, you would acknowledge this is a very nuanced topic ethically.
2025-05-13 06:16:25
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☀️ :
okay but as a disabled person, I really think we should not be purposely passing on these struggles (esp if you feel it has lowered YOUR quality of life)
2025-05-12 20:46:36
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moobo :
I was concerned about ability to care for the child. That being said, if there's a 100% chance of an illness being passed on, it seems cruel to inflict that willingly over adoption
2025-05-12 21:27:01
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Alex :
I'm a disabled person whose parents are both disabled. I've spent most of my 20s and now 30s taking care of them, so much so that I won't be able to have children. While I would never tell another disabled person to not have kids, often I wish that my parents didn't have me.
2025-05-12 15:37:58
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xander747474 :
This isn’t eugenics it’s about responsibility not superiority. Parents have a duty to minimize preventable harm. A child can’t consent to being born with a disability so choosing to pass it on is a moral decision not a neutral act.
2025-05-12 20:38:07
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sam :
people labelling it an ethics issue r missing the POINT. everyone has the capability to neglect (abuse) their child. this isn't disability specific and your sole attribution of it in this way IS eugenics
2025-05-13 05:48:46
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Alexander :
The "Maybe people shouldn't knowingly bring a child into this world who will suffer its entire life - eugenics" and "We should kill all disabled and crazy people - eugenics" are two very different kind of eugenics.
2025-05-13 08:06:16
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Alex w :
If someone can’t take care of themselves on their own (those two have carers full time from what I heard) meaning how could they look after the child itself?
2025-05-12 19:18:12
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Asht3r :
I’m Swedish, and we have such an awful history of eugenics. We had governmental institute for eugenics until 1959. Sami (native people to the north of Scandinavia) children and adults had all sorts of measurements (mainly talked about is skull measuring) taken to prove that they were inferior to the non-native population.
2025-05-12 18:20:04
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Vlint.D.Rider :
It is eugenics but I think it’s clear why we think that their basically forcing a child to do that I think they are human but even then we don’t have anything to fully help them they shouldn’t be seen as lower then us but come on it’s obv that it is not good to make ur child go through that
2025-05-12 14:05:57
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011011101 :
Disabled lives are just as meaningful as abled lives. They deserve to experience the world just the same as us. We need to focus on making our society more accessible and accepting rather than eugenics
2025-05-13 00:55:09
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