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Marlee :
On the non-determinism side you’ve got: quantum effects*, chaotic dynamics, stochastic processes, environmental influences and plasticity. Neuroscience gives us data, but philosophy asks why that data matters and what it means for how we understand ourselves.
2025-05-15 01:56:44
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IronicCheese :
Will is an innocent man! Free Will!
2025-05-14 23:08:20
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Asmay-B :
Even when we accept it is an illusion, it's impossible to live outside of the illusion. The only "control" we have is inside the illusion, which is none at all, even though it feels real, because that feeling is part of the illusion.
2025-05-15 07:46:35
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dieselkitty :
But what if people do terrible things TO feel shamed
2025-05-15 22:24:26
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Mitch_The_Scientist :
Brilliant survey of the different positions. Really love and agree with your take on moral responsibility (as a constraint) being preserved regardless of determinism.
2025-05-16 11:27:00
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sawsan :
In my view, free will manifests in our capacity to transcend the neurological conditioning shaped by our environment, relationships, and experiences.
2025-05-14 22:28:34
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DirtyD :
FRACTALS. There are binary polar minimums and maximums on every level that create a range of possible outcomes. There is a hierarchy of what we have power over and what is beyond us. Most is determined but not all
2025-05-19 21:23:29
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Bed of Chaos :
I’m a materialist; neuroscience IS materialist philosophy. Our thoughts and actions are heavily influenced by our material conditions. I wrote an article about it too, but know your angle will be different
2025-05-15 15:55:20
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Cool Cat :
Determinism falls flat on its face because we can change our minds, we are often indecisive, or choices are often wrong and hurt us and our choices evolve with our understanding
2025-05-15 18:50:14
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Koech Kiprotih Kevin :
if we had free will, our interactions with space, would be limited. 😏
2025-05-14 23:30:45
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stevedooner :
Consider the parameters of the deterministic description. It’s all localized on the causes of a decision in its immediate circumstances.
2025-05-15 07:46:26
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hernán :
Also look for articles of Edward Feser responding to Harris, Dawkins, et tal
2025-05-14 23:00:45
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Adenoid.Hynkel :
We are not robots.... we are never going to be robots.... robots will never have free will...animals have a measure of free will... Humans have free will, but there is only one way free will can successfully be used
2025-05-15 19:19:32
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Darren Taylor817 :
what is the point of internal thoughts if there isn't the freedom of choice? Influences bias decisions but there are still decisions, right? otherwise an automotive would have been easier to evolve? I thought we were decision making machines? Some are habitual decisions, some are emotional but some fight to bias and become random.
2025-05-20 06:04:43
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LDMEC :
me i like all this and i think deeply avout it alot its a symbiosis
2025-05-17 21:00:30
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Nolifeking13 :
I feel that everyone gets caught up in the black and white of hard determinism, insisting that only one outcome is possible based on the laws of the nature/physics ect. However I feel there is a sliver of a grey area in our self-awareness. Meta-awareness is what alows us to understand the causal influence on our choices and behaviors, there for allows us to account for limitation and influence in our choices.
2025-05-15 03:14:09
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Commonallgarden :
Brain states determine mental states. And brain states are determined by laws of electrical-chemical interactions. That’s my position. On another topic, do we really have an illusion of free will? I don’t ’believe in’ free will, and I’m not aware of a compelling
2025-05-15 00:45:13
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Practicing Hypocrite :
should it be “neuroscience vs philosophy”? or “neuroscience and philosophy” inseparable, coexisting, complementary and conflicting
2025-05-16 20:16:49
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183746372 :
I don’t think of free will as an all and none phenomenon. I think it is a spectrum. The healthier the brain the more choices we have including pause which is not possible in a reflexive stimulus response type behaviours which can easily happen with brain damage.
2025-05-15 13:02:44
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FoundInTranslation :
A scientific perspective would call on wave frequency tensors collapsing under observation…it implies consciousness as an active participant in physical reality vs reactive. Plus just sayin ethical philosophy isn’t foo foo…it begs acknowledgment
2025-05-14 22:24:45
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unalignment :
Why not both? If we think about all these “in the melting pot” as colliding systems, even if the agent doesn’t have like a discrete agency (ie i’m choosing x in this moment vs i’m sort of going in this direction), perhaps just being a contributor / nudge in the pot is good enough to constitute free will? I think you’d really enjoy complexity science
2025-05-27 03:41:19
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AG :
If free will is shaped entirely by biology and environment, how do we account for people who seem to break away from those very constraints?
2025-05-15 05:11:52
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jazzturtle :
It is hard to imagine having no will but also hard to imagine that there is an independent entity making free choices without any of the typical constraints and influences. However, most seem to agree there are different levels of agency and different degrees of awareness of how much agency we can have in any one moment. Sometimes chasing the sense of free will feels like chasing the sense of who I am, I keep feeling like it is just beyond my grasp.
2025-05-25 14:35:34
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Alan :
Are the chances of making a truly non-deterministic choice actually zero? Like absolute, absolute zero? If not, then free will exists. Job done. Next?
2025-05-14 22:34:19
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