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What do you think of the argument that Clement of Rome believed in the intercessory-request prayer to Saints? It is focused around what he says in chapter 56 of his letter to the Corinthians, in which he states "Let us then also pray for those who have fallen into any sin, that meekness and humility may be given to them, so that they may submit, not unto us, but to the will of God. For in this way they shall secure a fruitful and perfect remembrance from us, with sympathy for them, both in our prayers to God, and our mention of them to the Saints(ἁγίους)."
The argument is that there is a distinction made between 'us' (fellow believers on earth) and 'the Saints', which itself is also strengthened by the fact that he also calls the now-passed Saints of the Old Testament, well Saints.
2025-06-09 14:35:27
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YounngJr :
“Submit to Rome”😭
2025-06-09 14:13:29
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John Doe :
the only authority I obey is the authority of the bible, and that doesn't tell me to pray to any saints or angels but only to Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit
2025-07-23 08:18:22
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ruthlessgain :
Protestant might have take the W on this one
2025-06-09 15:22:02
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DB :
Dont forget the psalms where David prayed to Angels "worship/glorify the Lord"
2025-06-09 14:19:00
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Tamer Issa :
Why to ask saints for help ?
2025-07-14 14:38:12
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Joe South95 :
Nooooooooo
2025-06-09 14:10:59
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tyrone_vb_16 :
So now… here’s the question: Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant?
2025-06-10 20:51:46
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the unsuccessful middle child :
saints can make mistakes... thats why we only follow jesus
2025-07-24 22:04:50
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Matt Durrah :
It’s funny when you say “submit to Rome,” but on our Protestant side it seems there’s a lot of “submit to Calvin,” too.
2025-06-09 17:13:22
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ForbiddenSpeed :
“Apart from the Bible” lol saints ≠ angels
2025-06-09 14:14:53
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Dude Man :
I don't think we should base our faith or values on Tradition, but what Christ Alone taught. We are saved through Christ alone, and the Bible (His Word) is the only truth in this life. Everything else is secondary and unreliable
2025-06-09 15:26:39
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jman_309 :
Okay so what should we do? I’ve never believed that you can pray to someone other than God. Can’t pray to saints or angels but can pray for their help. Is this reasonable??
2025-06-09 15:26:30
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Oshana :
Anyone who knows anything about theology will see that prots have no ground to stand on and are extreme watered down
2025-06-09 22:10:46
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Andrés Pérez Fdez :
Hey hey! Catholic isn't just Rome (latin rite), Catholic also is Eastern rites
2025-06-13 19:52:33
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Seth KYS :
POV: my left and right sides of my brain arguing with one another before deciding what church to go to
2025-06-09 15:11:33
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DrunkenSorcerer :
10/10 enjoy listening to these videos! They have greatly encouraged me to delve into the theology behind my beliefs!
2025-06-09 14:13:28
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Forrest Hyland :
This is always a weird argument when in the Bible Jesus Christ himself teaches us himself how to pray and the structure that should be used. Starting with our father who art in heaven… so shouldn’t be praying to god and god alone
2025-06-09 16:23:58
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🇻🇦☦︎︎- michiko <3 -☦︎︎🇻🇦 :
Okay...I'm a bit confused with this video. Do you truly think we pray to Saints? We use the wording "pray to" sometimes because it has the same meaning. We ask the Saints for intercession
2025-06-09 15:02:58
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Dogwood :
I just pray to God because why would I do anything else?
2025-07-21 01:09:40
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Nabelia :
what's the book btw? 😁
2025-06-09 14:30:02
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YaBoiFosty :
Revelation 19:10 and 22:8 are great proofs against this. Also, the whole “it’s like asking a friend to pray for you”, do you see ANY of the original disciples praying to their fallen friends to speak to Jesus for them? Also, you don’t pray to a living friend to pray for you.
2025-06-09 21:20:49
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Mark Allen :
Im an atheist and I love your content lol
2025-06-10 01:20:12
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Michael Van Dyke :
Nicely done and well thought out. If only the various church leadership could dialogue like this. 💯 - but alas Nooooooo!
2025-06-09 14:46:52
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jai.r07 :
nooooooooooo.
2025-06-11 22:49:53
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