Dan Pyxel (same@ everywhere)
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Daeffyd :
i have to wonder if part of why verso "guards truth with lies" is because he has Renoir as a father, because renoir is so overpowering that verso's defense mechanism was to show a version of himself that would make his dad proud, while also pursuing his own ends
2025-06-23 13:18:09
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user5620572196523 :
Idk I have to disagree on some points. Mainly that this was Renoir's true representations of his family. Part of the reason I say this is painted Verso's line to Maelle about how this is what he hopes for her. It's a mix of his current feeling towards them with some inspiration from their potential. Like how he sees Maelle as someone with vertigo yet in spite of that is able to fly. As someone who fundamentally cannot reach the sky yet still reaching for it. In Renoir's eyes he sees Maelle as someone who can't dream or cannot think of her future in that way and his hope is that someday she can.I think a similar interpretation can be used for the others right like there is a metaphorical "Clair Obscur" or light and dark to each interpretation of his pieces and both sides enhance the other. but this is my interpretation. To expand on my views I think Renoir saw Clea as someone who had the world on her shoulders but could still stand which is his hope for her (like atlas), Aline as someone who creates wonder and beauty (her canvases) but is unable to leave things behind (like how Siréne summons memories of those lost like what she did with Verso's canvas). That is why I think it was important for Aline to destroy this idea when she reenters the canvas and give painted Verso a way to Verso's soul. if we were to stick with the idea that these are also Renoir's hopes for them I think Siréne is also Renoir's hope that Aline keeps painting both beauty and pain and dancing between them creating 'chaos' in his order. if that makes sense. Verso's is fairly obvious to me that speech about wearing masks and that not allowing for 'true' art was originally directed at Verso is very telling. He knew early on Verso was hiding his true feeling towards art and it ironically came through in his art. That when he painted joy it was 'too' joyful and so on (like the masks). he was unable to make 'great art' as there were barriers between him and his art. The concept of 'he who hides truth with lies' is a wish from Renoir that someday Verso won't need to hide behind his 'fakes' and can one day create 'great' art (represented in how the true Axon is maskless amongst all his masks)
2025-06-23 23:02:46
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timoathy :
I think the Axons also highlight another of Renior's flaws: there's a paternalism to everything he does and the Axons not only represent his family but are parables with which he bestows his infinite wisdom. He doesn't discuss, he declares what will be.
2025-06-23 13:49:00
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EriWho :
Complex antagonists like that are my favorite kind of character, which is why Renoir is my favorite in the game No one can deny the genuine love he has for his family, he is above all a husband and a father, and he is trying his best to preserve that unity in the face of tragedy, his concerns for both Aline and Alicia are so valid, but he's also controlling, single minded, somewhat cruel, and fails to understand his own family. I think one of the reasons I like his final moments in the game so much is that, in spite all of that, he chooses to give Maelle a vote of confidence, to trust her, even if he doesn't quite understand her fully
2025-06-23 12:20:14
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That Random Robot 🌙 :
I tried to talk about this in the Verso/Clea video, but I’m pretty sure I accidentally deleted it while half asleep… but while the Axon’s give is an interesting window into what he believes is his family (or at least what he deems crucial to be able to remind himself of them while in a Canvas), there is another creation of his (my personal favorite), that shows us a lot about his view on what art is, and how… pessimistic it’s become. And it is, funnily enough, Renoir’s Creation. I really didn’t understand what this enemy’s deal was when first encountering it. I mean, sure, this is the thing you face before facing Renoir himself, but why is THIS called Creation over the many other creations of his we’ve seen? Then I realized that Creation isn’t only its name, it’s its SUBJECT. Something so dear to him that he’s got a massive statue of it in his Atelier. A constant reminder for him to ponder, like the Axons are, but a reminder of what? Well, the creature itself seems to be this horse-like being made up of many human bodies, twisting and screaming as they reach out into… a void. A massive, dark sphere whose pull is so strong that the creature is able to lose its footing and start levitating, orbiting around it. A constant push and pull takes place, where the creature attacks on its own and the void takes over. So I believe that what Renoir is trying to represent here is that creation, for him, is something akin to a workhorse. This culmination of human existence, built off of human suffering and our nature to try and escape and do something productive out of the ever present emptiness in our lives. This drive to try and make something out of nothing, get meaning out of meaninglessness. This is, like the Axons… NOT SUBTLE AT ALL (and I’d argue none of Renoir’s work is, hell, even Clea’s and Verso’s somewhat lack subtlety, and as a result, also lack the lifelike feel that Aline’s Painted Lumiere with its complex and nuanced humans has, Renoir called Painted Verso “one of Aline’s finest creations” for a reason, but that’s a conversation for another rant), and it also seems to be made with a bit resentment that is very on-brand from him.
2025-06-23 13:30:22
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bloorgq :
you gave words to my feelings about his axons far better than I've been able to. renoir is such an interesting and misguided man.
2025-06-23 06:48:10
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Mero :
I think he did actually read Verso quite well. Painted Verso talks about how he was never the artist his parents wanted him to be, making it sound like it was about the fact he wanted to be a musician. But Renoir creating Visages as "He who guards the truth with lies", can be read as Renoir knowing this, and maybe lamenting over Verso never being honest about what he actually wanted.
2025-06-23 19:54:06
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ACCESS_DENIED :
I've seen a few of your videos, and I have to say your understanding of the story and characters seems pretty spot on.
2025-06-23 21:11:26
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maddison.brinson :
loving your expedition 33 videos 🌹
2025-06-23 06:28:19
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Est :
My vibe with him is that he is an art scholar and a professor not an artist. He takes art through clinical eyes of study not by feeling and emotion. He doesn't have the calling of an artist he just followed Aline to it.
2025-06-25 09:15:12
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jeremy 🌺 (Verso’s version) :
This is an absolutely brilliant take. Renoir, repeatedly, gets the CLOSEST to what Verso wants by not ever looking too closely into Verso or pretending he knows who Verso was—& the tragedy is that he does that same thing for everyone else. Renoir claws the least into their tragedy and tries to help the survivors, but doesn’t know how to. It’s maddening and sorrowful and you put it so eloquently.
2025-06-24 06:41:39
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bee_owly :
Hi so I’ve been listening to these videos and if you ever did a podcast I’d be all in
2025-06-23 16:05:59
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Morrison :
Perhaps it is already what you meant, but just to add, visages/verso was described as 'he who guards truth with lies. I think he was overprotective of people and artistic concepts that it was no longer genuine. With Alicia to the point that he sacrifices himself in the fire and is his art that too much is hidden or omitted to show the true complex nature. many of his creations seem very simple or one dimensional. Does that align with what you meant?
2025-06-23 08:35:41
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anna :
i love your videos! your analysis is so interesting, i agree especially in the end💗
2025-06-23 08:47:38
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Archon916 :
This was a very interesting and thoughtful interpretation of Renoir. Great video.
2025-06-23 15:05:40
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fazerot :
the end part is SO REAL
2025-06-23 08:23:39
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Daeffyd :
also, do we all think that the tisseur is supposed to represent Renoir? tirelessly working away to support Aline/Sirene?
2025-06-23 13:22:17
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Josh Knowles :
One of the reasons this game hit close to home for me is about a decade ago, I lost my youngest brother. He created music, it told a story of who he was. After he was gone, my mom tried to live within the bubble of what she perceived he was, to the detriment of her own health. My dad, while upset, buried himself in his grief and tried to blindly move forward, poorly. I had to handle a lot of what came after, cleaning up his apartment, learning more about his darker secrets and the pain he had. It was a puzzle without all of the pieces. My other brother was so much closer to him and tried to help, but sort of fed into both of my parents while trying to help and it messed him up a lot. After everything, I realized I masked my grief by trying to solve the mystery and find a level of accountability. I didn't give myself the time to really go through all of it myself. I say this because I feel like Renoir interprets art as a thing, not a form of expression but as a duty. Art is a reflection of your soul, but Renoir sees his creations as needing to serve a purpose. It's the same way he handles his grief. It's heavy handed. At no point do we see him try to reason with his family, just that his way is the right way. While the Dessandre children take after their parents, Verso as a child is the nmbest aspects of his parents (the creation of his canvas, gestrals and Esquie) and adult/painted Verso is truly the worst of both in the best way.
2025-06-23 15:22:30
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