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inscony
Inscony :
Another thing with this particular video is that Jubilee invited literal fascists. A debate is inherently a democratic process. There’s no way to debate someone who doesn’t believe in democracy.
2025-07-22 22:02:22
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henry13gsv
henry13gsv :
I love so much about this video thank you!! These jubilee videos are just like Trumpism, bread and circuses around political action itself. I lead volunteer workdays for habitat restoration, and I essentially accidently found myself as a science communicator without any training. Teaching science is something I think about a fair amount but I haven't done much if any actual research on. I like the point about jubilee... but I'm also taking away that perhaps relating information to someone's identity is a good way to teach? Like for me the topic where I might try to change people's minds would be herbicide use, which I support for habitat restoration. I try to talk about facts... which I guess doesn't work that well lol, and also share my experience working with herbicide and seeing the impacts. I think I could make that story telling more effective by more directly relating to the other person's identity as an environmentalist, because anyone worried about herbicide usually is coming from this perspective.
2025-07-22 21:50:39
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paulo.alcino
paulo.alcino :
I think the mistake is thinking that there is an attempt to change minds. Usually these things are set up with full awareness of those group identities, and the point is to preach to the choir and tell your own side you won.
2025-07-29 12:30:11
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red_sage1
Red Sage (Andrew) :
reminds me of the quote "you can't make someone understand something when their paycheck is dependant on them not understanding it". this video was brilliant! thank you!
2025-07-23 18:34:47
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insidelindsaysworld
Lindsay♾️🌈😻 :
Oh! Okay so I’m autistic and a very bottom up thinker. I see the holes in the information presented and want to fill those holes. Don’t just tell me it’s bad to be on your phone before bed, but tell me why and what the research says. But come to think of it, I do know why, yet still do it! 🙃🤣 Also, sometimes when I do ask why and look to fill those holes, the deliverer of the information gets defensive of thinks I’m trying to question their knowledge! It’s frustrating!
2025-07-23 00:15:56
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joshtan935
Josh Tan :
Knowledge deficit model is also the dominant pedagogical approach of my colleagues (and myself too, since I ought to be honest). We know it isn’t the way teaching happens either, but when I tell people that some of the most effective teachers DON’T have subject-matter expertise, they don’t believe me.
2025-07-23 09:23:10
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alunuvan
Robin :
Yeah, I knew immediately that giving someone accurate information doesn’t work, because I know myself, and even though I’m great at adapting some things into my beliefs, my dentist will never be at peace. No matter how much I’m told I should only have water between meals and I shouldn’t drink carbonated drinks or sugar, that is just never gonna happen. And I’ll never be able to wrap my head around how bad it is for my teeth, I WILL CRY ABOUT IT when I think about it, but that information is never going to change my habits without a direct impact to change my behavior. I would love to follow facts and information, but I don’t, because I happen to have a personal and intricate experience in my body that can easily convince me to do a lot of things that are not rational, or that are even directly bad for me. But I can’t really just decide to «listen to the facts» because unlearning something and changing your method is a very difficult process that’s gonna take a long time. I’m trying to cut back on sugar, but that is like 1/5 things the dentist tells me to watch out for, and I already have irreversible damage. I’m still going to work on it, but there Is no world where you could convince me when I had a younger mind to not drink soda regularly, because I liked it, and I wasn’t afraid of the outcome even though it was bad. I bet it’s not like this with everything, but I feel like my dental experience fits a similar structure to the general experience of learning things and how you instinctively make a choice on if it matters to you or not
2025-07-23 15:39:25
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boundmermaid
Kay :
You should recreate these shows but with the correct communication theory and show how it works and maybe people will learn from it if they saw it in action.
2025-07-23 00:59:49
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cz :
It always comes back to belonging
2025-07-30 13:52:58
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c.d.latin
C.D.Latin :
I feel like there is a noticeable divide between "changing your mind" and "changing your actions. " It seems clear to me that information alone can change minds but people need motivation to change actions and the information itself is not always enough. Plenty of people are convinced vegansim is the most ethical option for them and then continue to eat meat. It isn't that they didn't change their mind. At least as far as I can tell there is a separate threshold for action. Do you think this is accurate or am I missing something?
2025-07-25 19:11:53
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kitten_with_shoes_on
Kitten :
I think the confusion is partly because people who change their minds a lot based on new info tend to move in circles with like minded people who consider that in itself to be a good trait, so they're free of the kind of social pressures that some people face to toe the line of group opinion. What we need to understand is that having awesome friends and family is important for survival and wellbeing - so when a person has grown up in a tight-knit community of people who give them appreciation and shared purpose, what incentive would they have to change their mind about the central beliefs and values of that community?
2025-07-23 23:00:12
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abbenm
Chuppy :
I think jubilee simply has catastrophic judgment about how to choreograph debates appropriately. One of the more fruitful things I feel like I've learned from this meta discussion about debates is that jubilee seems to be picking inflammatory participants on purpose, and are not especially reasonable stewards of debate as a format. I do think in the academic world, and in the interfacing of like religious, public figures and skeptical intellectuals, as well as say the presidential commission on debates back when that was a thing, as well as intelligence squared, have shown debating as a medium that's capable of being constructive. so I haven't lost faith in the medium, but I think it's been a tragic mistake to entrust jubilee or to consider them a reasonable steward of the format.
2025-07-23 18:03:44
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bumblebeez013
Bee :
Just want to say I learn a lot from your videos, thank you
2025-07-23 00:32:00
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justoutlawss
medusae :
a theory in social psychology that i believe is relevant to this is the idea of psychological reactance theory. it’s this idea that when an individuals sense of freedom is potentially compromised, they act within opposites of that expected behavior to remain free. i think this is a source of anti vax and on a broader level anti science mindsets. i think generally, when debating, we see this manifest where people debating are not interested in changing opinions because that is a compromising of their freedom
2025-07-24 18:34:46
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siniainjinia
felix murithi :
Open to Debate is great. learnt a lot over deir
2025-07-29 10:26:52
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sjkfigaro
stevenkonyar :
Love it! "Profitable" is the key word. Unrelated to the 20v1 video, your take on knowledge deficit theory reminds me of what it's like to try and convince our loved ones to quit smoking, especially if it is a direct cause of an ongoing health issue. It makes me feel powerless, and maybe angry.
2025-07-23 09:28:31
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redmoonrising1337
Oh :
jubilee is a fascist psyOp, change my mind
2025-07-30 12:22:02
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isabellerizobvp
Isabelle Rizo :
Any book/video recommendations as fellow science educators?
2025-07-23 05:29:51
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sherribae.b
Sherri 🇬🇧 :
This is absolutely everyone in all walks of life (me included before someone says it) to the point I have wanted to get a tattoo for years that says everyone thinks they are the exception so I don’t have to keep saying this out loud to explain why I’m saying no to someone and can just point to it
2025-07-24 09:38:29
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rodrigovelasquez904
rodrigovelasquez904 :
I agree that the debaters are unlikely to change but what about the observers? We saw on Sam Seder that the sonservative identified with Sam...
2025-07-25 21:45:53
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stevepsychology
Professor Steve Rathje :
Great video!
2025-07-23 04:07:34
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loko_cog
Loko_cog :
please talk about how this "debate" effect is reversed for podcasts. people will believe ANYTHING they hear on a podcast
2025-07-23 19:08:28
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affluenzavaccine
AffluenzaVaccine :
ok so how do we communicate effectively
2025-07-23 17:11:42
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bibaniffy3
bibaniffy3 :
As a member of the audience I don’t think I’ve changed my mind completely on a topic though watching debates. But I have changed my mind slightly. I’ve also gotten better perspective on the other sides point of view from their own mouths instead of the strawmen that are presented by my own side.
2025-07-23 15:25:17
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augustrosebloom
🎀🩷🌷 :
This resonated with me as an information literacy instructor at a library! Our fields should join forces
2025-07-23 18:18:26
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