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Noah Lloyd :
It’s propaganda. It’s trying to convey a message without properly demonstrating and transforming that message in a cohesive and compelling way. It’s message first, story second, and the former offers no room for compromise or organic evolution via the story. In contrast, the reason why Dostoyesvsky’s work isn’t Christian propaganda is because he properly and strikingly challenges the Christian message in a way that often leaves readers in shaken suspense rather than comfortable conclusion.
2025-07-26 21:25:07
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Pete :
Woke tends to deconstruct the existing culture to rebuild in their image. Old stories and parables built culture be teaching wisdom/paradigms/tropes/archetypes from past generations.
2025-07-26 15:58:16
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Tim4 :
there's a difference between lecturing and conveying a message. unfortunately writing has been so lazy they come across as a lecture opposed to a compelling story
2025-07-28 19:58:58
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PeachPrime :
It’s because people will sacrifice elements of good storytelling, sometimes even a good story, for the “lesson”. This causes several problems. Firstly a lot of the “lessons” are highly contentious. Like if half the country Emphatically disagrees with the lesson you sacrificed the story to push, half the country doesn’t want to engage with that. Schindler’s list worked because the vast majority of people agreed with the lesson. Second the people who agree with the lesson might just want a good story, and don’t need the lesson. Engaging might be a wast of time to that group. Despite social media, most people engage with entertainment to be entertained. They won’t go just because they agree with the lesson. Last is the belittling. This is usually not the storytellers fault. Mostly the chronically online social media warriors of both sides that cause this one. Not engaging with the media becomes the same as disagreeing with the lesson it’s pushing. Now instead of a media that people didn’t want to engage with, it’s a litmus test of morality. So instead of a group of people who didn’t engage with the story, you have a group of people who were demonized. This turns every story trying to push a similar lesson into something to be for or against. Battle lines get drawn. And this causes people to not want to be involved so less people engage.
2025-07-28 13:04:23
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🇺🇸Clem🇺🇸 :
Lilo and Stitch sums it up. They are objectively undermining the themes of the original to tell you that meeting your family into foster care is a good thing, accidentally committing ws in doing so, wopsies! Where it had so many interwoven details rewatching 2 times lately. I keep finding new details.
2025-07-27 13:13:24
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cannibalmerk :
it's "STORY" telling. not "list of events that just so happen to only give you 1 of 2 opportunities. 1: tell everyone how bad you have it. or 2: be awesome at that thing which usually ends up hurting argument 1. until the supposed conflict just hands you the victory" telling
2025-07-26 19:53:34
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Weaver954 :
You know, this also puts a pin into what I dislike about a lot of Christian fiction, too. It's a genre I want to support, but too many Christian storytellers don't show, they tell - creating an extremely flat and unappealing narrative.
2025-07-29 04:33:29
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iheartafrica :
My understanding is that the woke part must be front and center. For a movie for example, totally diverse at all costs. They're concerned about superficiality vs the actual end product. It's about looking virtuous to your peers regardless if you are or not. It's also inauthentic which is something none of us like
2025-07-26 13:02:54
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Stephen Carr :
I think the best explanation of "go woke go broke" is woke media usually sacrifices entertainment for the message. I have read countless stories that guve a message that has something to latch on to
2025-07-28 15:11:58
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Ebony Harrison :
I wonder if the strong reaction to woke-ism is a visceral one, like our nervous system is picking up on a survival threat subconsciously. Seeing this hard push in to subjectivism, and then further in to delusion. I think many of us are picking up on the danger, consciously or not
2025-07-26 23:00:47
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EagleShade :
The problem is the VOLUME. Sure S-List was teaching, but S-List's points aren't being shoehorned in like EVERYTHING.
2025-07-27 12:16:17
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Mr.ThunderBear :
They again and again refuse to delve into mindsets and naritives that doesnt constantly talk about things they feel are important right now inn ways they agree with. Its constantly me me me me
2025-07-27 22:26:24
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Travis Romig :
Woke is normally bad writing or bad world building.
2025-07-27 04:03:36
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Savannah Askew :
They lose the story for the message. It's an important balance, but once the message becomes priority it turns into a lecture instead of a story.
2025-07-26 18:26:33
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James Vitagliano135 :
I agree with most of what you said. I would probably more directly say that "wokism" and their stories combat the zeitgeist by deliberately placing themselves at odds with it and running at it headlong with the intention of causing a cosmic collision. Typical authors that want to change the zeitgeist know they can't simply catapult big rocks at it directly. They challenge the ideas on multiple levels with considerably smaller arguments and works in hopes of slowly changing attitudes over time. They know that a revolution of ideas takes a very long time, several generations in some cases. Wokism is very different because the people pushing it are different. Instant gratification is a central tennant of wokism. Wokism couldn't exist without it. They are in a hurry to change the world which essentially means they will never manage it, and their opposition will always be stronger then their support.
2025-07-26 15:55:12
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Rem1093 :
woke removes subtext. its why OF trek is not woke. using the interracial kiss as an example. It's not a plot point, just an action that happens. woke would make it a plot point that has to be discussed throughout the episode.
2025-07-31 19:44:17
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marco262 :
I watched a video about Starship Troopers lately that I'm not sure I agree with, but it stated the film was a movie satirizing war by playing the whole thing completely straight. It was filmed like a propaganda piece, where the director told the actors to play everything serious. I don't know how well it delivered on the "satire" part at the end. It certainly has some ridiculous moments that would fit in a satire, but overall I thought it was just a very interesting take on what war would be like in the future, with some realistic and some fantastical elements. In other words, it was a good movie.
2025-07-27 05:54:59
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ThaRealTrickyDick :
I just say it's untalented writers using allyship as a shield for their bad writing
2025-07-28 00:06:00
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Just Tanks Realmuto :
Easy woke in this context means corpo. We know these values aren’t principled and are just what corpo has deemed popular. Woke is the spiritual successor to family values in media and we the masses didn’t like that either. The fact is woke has been diluted by big corpo to just be cowtowin to the loudest Karen’s. So anyone sayin they have a woke movie is just another person using an antiqued term.
2025-07-26 20:40:05
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kylemcph240 :
from what I have observed at least in movies is a lot of the time "woke" writers will take existing characters and worlds and slightly modify them to fit their agenda rather than create something new.
2025-07-29 02:29:58
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FlutterbyDreams :
The way I see it, “Woke” happens when the narrative outside of the story becomes more important than the story itself.
2025-07-28 16:07:40
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caelin viner :
The difference between people who claim to be woke and storytelling is that storytelling isn’t screaming directly in your face that you’re evil and that you’re the problem while taking absolutely no accountability
2025-07-28 11:17:24
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Bane To Myself :
exactly sir, I've been thinking about this when leftists cry that other cinema is also woke. activists are in charge and all they want is to push their narratives instead of compelling story narratives
2025-07-26 12:30:05
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MaGiggleStick :
The reason I dislike the “woke” type movies or games, is because they barely put any effort into the character. y’all remember princess and the frog? That movie was badass and super fun, great characters and casting. It showed Tiana’s struggle without preaching unfairness. But they dont put effort into the new movies and things when they swap races and genders or whatever. It’s just them saying “alright, we stuck a black person in the movie and gave them lines. Praise our virtue.” Rather than creating a new and compelling story. It’s pandering and mildly insulting
2025-07-27 21:00:16
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YeeyeeAirplaneMan :
its all about presentation I think. like you say, show dont tell.
2025-07-26 17:47:19
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