@stephthearchaeologist: Apologies I only posted this here as I needed the video for insta so here is the insta caption! The rich get richer and the poor get poorer - Before I read this book, Sparta: The Rise and Fall of an Ancient Superpower by Andrew Bayliss, I definitely thought that Sparta was okay for women (for the ancient world). Obviously by modern standards not amazing but for the time pretty okay because women could own property. - Sparta had a birthrate problem. They had pretty strict citizenship rules which boil down to only wealthy people could be citizens. If you had multiple children then you would have to split your land between them which could put them at risk of losing citizenship. So birthrates drop with men staying bachelors to avoid losing their wealth. Now instead of relaxing the laws around citizenship and making it not contingent on the amount of land you own or idk letting non-citizens become citizens they had the brilliant idea to let men try and get any woman pregnant as long as he had her husbands permission. No, we don’t have evidence that he needed the woman’s consent to impregnate her. Some sources suggest the Spartans practiced polyandry with 3-4 poorer Spartans sharing a wife meaning the family could share land resources which offspring could inherit preserving their citizenship. Yes women could own property in Sparta but this would mean that she would have her own land to bring into a marriage. Maybe if a woman had more land there was more pressure for her to have multiple husbands? Polyandry wouldn’t have helped increase the population as you still have the same problem of more children = more divided land. - It is important that we don’t judge the past by today’s moral and ethical standards but I cannot help but be horrified. Can you imagine living in a country where your body not your own? Just an incubator to have as many children as possible because nothing could be worse than letting poor people and foreigners become citizens… #ancienthistory #History #historytok #archaeology #LearnOnTikTok

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me_the_narrator
MidnightDawn :
I think it’s more of “they were really great COMPARED to other Greek nations at the time” which was at least somewhat true
2025-09-22 15:46:33
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birdshifts
Bird :
Could you give a little more context? I tried to look it up with what you said and got nothing
2025-09-22 14:26:38
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deathratio
Anthony :
As a non-professional I will always judge old cultures based off my own morals of today 🙂‍↕
2025-09-23 01:55:58
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theedgy4
edgy guy :
The ancient Greeks always showed the right path
2025-09-22 15:33:02
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sava55023
Sava :
we don't have clear sources about Sparta, only rumors and what other Greeks thought about them.
2025-09-23 11:00:57
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minnieanddippy
😐 :
Ppl only think Sparta was good for women bc the other Greek city states set the bar firmly in the 9th circle of Hell
2025-09-24 03:15:30
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justperk2493
Justperk24 :
What book is that? I can’t see the author name well
2025-09-22 14:26:40
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savrennelson
Savren Nelson :
Do you have book recommendations for this time period that you like? Love reading about Sparta but struggle to find books that aren’t crazy fiction heavy
2025-09-22 13:53:16
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jixenpsp
. :
Unfortunately Sparta was considered very progressive in comparison with every available ancient culture in and beyond the Greek one. Women were always oppressed.
2025-09-23 21:11:52
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adrienne_riordan
Adrienne Riordan :
cosa hanno fatto?💀
2025-10-22 20:02:31
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lucasofthewild
Lucasofthewild :
Huh that's interesting (and by interesting I mean horrifying), I remember only learning that they encouraged having children outside of marriages, no that it was forced 😭
2025-10-02 15:08:56
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juless1212
Mairon :
Nothing horrible about it when looking at it with the context and understanding of their society. Should we be horrified that everything was physical labour back then? Nope, humans adapt
2025-09-24 08:55:07
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kiwijuanita
Chris :
They could in Anglo Saxon England as well, it was the Normans that stopped it
2025-09-23 10:10:56
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zvezdanavv
звездана :
source
2025-09-22 20:17:22
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user2299137156252
mamafisch :
She is reading “Sparta: the rise and fall of an ancient super power” the author is Andrew Bayliss
2025-09-22 14:36:26
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ashcolling21
Ashlie | IVF over 35 :
Are you over dramatizing and misleading everyone on purpose. Seriously lame. Give context or don’t post
2025-09-22 15:17:28
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evestionphoenix50
Evestion :
it's a contemporary comparative. Sparta was progressive for women at the time. by today's standards (or rathers, today's hopes) it was still brutally oppressive. the fact that women were often the richest people in the city and could make it break politics is insane by any societies standards prior to the 20th century
2025-09-23 19:18:53
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mikwillis
mik :
😳
2025-09-23 02:21:53
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romina_.d
Romi :
😁😁😁
2025-10-01 22:00:54
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lety14_02
Laity :
Still, women were treated better than other Greek cities. They were allowed even to have relationships with other women, to partecipate to the Olimpiadi, do do gym, riding, fight and they could even play naked. Of course they weren’t totally free, but they were treated a lot better than other Greek cities where they were forced to be only baby machines.
2025-09-24 08:33:40
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galiodalio
galiodalio :
imagine losing to a bunch of gay thebans like actually homosexual
2025-09-23 07:51:11
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whatever_nelly
nelly :
The ancient Greeks were weird. There I said it.
2025-09-22 16:32:02
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tbd.tbr
TBR TBD :
This is basically what very extreme Mormons di but with the government dole. They live off women without officially marrying them and make them have. Dozen kids, take their support money while the women and kids starve.
2025-09-25 04:01:49
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meili..14
meili..14 :
neither did Athenians but there women were not allowed to own property. don't force modern day standards on ancient Greece
2025-09-23 20:38:24
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