lizzie cheated, SA’d hughie, told gibs he shouldve died instead of beth, ect. joey did nothing of the sorts. while i get ur point, and im honestly not the biggest fan of either of them anyway, there’s definitely more to it than just this or that
2025-10-03 02:19:48
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★ :
you cannot hate lizzie and love joey at the same time or you’re just misogynistic. plain and simple. denying it doesn’t make it any less true
2025-10-02 16:26:02
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🦊 :
Did everyone forget that one scene where Joey visited Aoife and she basically forced Joey to keep going when he was trying to stop.
2025-10-13 16:34:40
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Natolayspam :
They👏 are 👏not 👏the 👏same. One hates bullies, one is a bully. Just because they both have hard backstories does not mean they are the same.
2025-10-03 10:22:41
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syd knee :
literally two incomparable characters but ok
2025-10-03 14:48:52
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user27961884553 :
nobody cannot tell me aoife and hugh aren’t parallels too! though it’s opposite, hugh’s getting the most hate these days
2025-10-02 16:40:17
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mim✨🌅 :
“Joey isn’t a bull” 1- let’s ask all these poor people who got beaten just because a relative of their decided to bully Shan. 2- I’m pretty sure he’d be one if he witnessed any of his sibling being murd*red. But hey what do I know
2025-10-02 16:47:37
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addi :
unpopular opinion but gibsie has a much more complex character than joey
2025-10-05 15:36:28
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📚 :
I fear that the people who HATE the characters (other than Teddy and mark ofc) weren’t ready to read the books 🙏
2025-10-02 23:31:49
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𓂃 ࣪˖ ִֶָ𐀔⋆˚࿔ :
Nuh they are different. Joey did NOT acted the way Lizzie acts. Lizzie literally SA Hughie, cheated, bullied Gibs, Katie and other people. They are VERY different.
2025-10-03 11:54:53
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🪽𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚 🪽 :
Or people trying to say that Joey is not like Lizzie when he literally said it himself that he sees himself in her 🤡
2025-10-02 21:37:42
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ilayda :
it’s kinda sad how even chloe said she wrote lizzie and joey parallels to each other knowing they would not be loved the same by the fandom because of misogyny. and this fandom is, of course, proving her right
2025-10-02 18:33:18
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aliya🧸 :
Oh you guys LOVE to bring up misogyny to defend Lizzie when that is not the case at all 😭 Lizzie was a straight up bully. She can be a victim herself and still be the reason why others themselves have trauma. You wanna talk about misogyny? Let’s talk about everyone’s blatant hatred for Claire when her behaviour is almost exactly the same as johnnys.
2025-10-05 12:26:16
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Mary :
Lies lies and lies!
2025-10-04 21:26:01
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“Nice Moves.” “Nice Legs.” :
Joey and Liz are the same like Aoife and Hughie are the same, you can’t like Aoife and hate Hughie like you can’t like Joey and hate Lizzie
2025-10-02 20:39:48
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viky🦷 :
and joey is actually a good person hope this helps
2025-10-03 12:50:12
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junoainthere :
the way it was said MULTIPLE times in the book that lizzie is alot like joey yet people can still hate lizzie while baby-ing joey saying hes action are excused cause of his trauma..um then what was what happened to lizzie??? beautiful memories???
2025-10-12 06:57:43
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Sara <3 :
they love acting like chloe walsh has no idea what she’s doing and that they’re right all the time about characters she wrote. “joey and liz aren’t the same” if they weren’t then both joey and shannon wouldn’t have said so!
2025-10-03 03:30:35
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✨️The Moonlark✨️ :
I love both and im a big fan of them, but in my opinion, I think that people like joey more because he was only mean to people that deserved it, like Shannon's bullies. while lizzie was mean to gibise (who i inderstand why she was mean to him), Claire and katie.
2025-10-02 23:59:15
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.・゜✭・.・ :
Joey and Lizzie are NOT the same when will people get that, Lizzie stans will do everything to defend her behaviour etc., Lizzie hurts the people around her on purpose while Joey keeps a distance to the ones he loves so he won’t hurt them, Lizzie sa’d hughie, SHES A BULLY, Joey never did stuff like that, one hates bullies and the other one is a bully (yeah i’m talking about lizzie)
2025-10-03 17:39:29
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olivia 🧟♀️ :
specifically what annoys me is liz haters being fake concerned for hugh saying he shouldn’t have to take care of her or be in a relationship with someone who’s struggling but they had no problem with joey being with aoife! almost as if the “savior” trope is only cute to them when it’s a guy being unconditionally loved through his issues
2025-10-02 17:52:48
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🎧 :
guys they ARE similar, it’s blatantly obvious, but the reason she’s hated is bc she takes it to a level we never saw him take it to. i don’t even hate her, but it’s not difficult to understand why one is liked and the other isn’t😭
2025-10-03 02:39:08
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