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Sarah_thebookishnerd (IG) :
Yeah, going to disagree on this after seeing how far authors take it. I’ve had authors doxx reviewers, stalk them and show up at their house IRL, send their followers to deplatform and that’s the tip of the iceberg.
2025-11-16 23:22:31
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K.G. :
I still think what Elyse is doing is different. She’s not just engaging with negative reviewers with their own platforms, but is a massively popular social media personality directly antagonizing people who do not have the power or teams to protect themselves the way she can. I think there is a power imbalance here at play and handwaving it with “we’re all artistic equals” really downplays how dangerous this can be with how violent we all know the internet can be. I think you worded this very thoughtfully, and I think I agree with the point you’re making, but I do think this is a different situation than if it was a traditional author and traditional critic.
2025-11-16 17:01:07
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Pidge Witch :
I’ve always maintained if you say your opinion online, other people are allowed to respond. People keep saying she should know better as a content creator, but that’s exactly why she doesn’t. She’s used to engaging directly with her audience. She’s not a booktok creator, so holding her to the standards of “unwritten rules” doesn’t make sense. It’s also absolutely acceptable to just be like, “Hey, I know this isn’t something you’re used to, but generally in this situation, authors don’t interact with reviewers,” and explain why. Instead of acting like she committed a crime or bullied someone. Everyone has to be so extreme and extra.
2025-11-22 09:53:40
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On Bisan's Internet :
Every single creative since the beginning of social media is not allowed to engage period. 1. they have the power of a fan base which is going to go off and 2. it can be seen as influencing competition. that's the full story
2025-11-16 21:00:53
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Caleb Lockwood :
I still disagree because if you publish with a traditional publisher it was not an unspoken rule for Elyse as her team would've told her (if they were a good team) but I still respect your takes. Have a good day.
2025-11-16 16:52:39
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improvgm :
Artists never look good when they go after critics and the parasocial aspects mean someone with a giant following is exposing people who don’t have that to a ton of people who might take that personally and bombard that person. On the ttrpg space, we’ve seen it with lukewarm takes about critical role.
2025-11-16 17:43:14
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Tommythecommiecowboy :
We are entirely too online when we pretend there is some social contract requiring authors to abide abuse
2025-11-16 21:37:38
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CruzSupportsYou :
Roger Ebert vs. Vincent Gallo only made sense because social media was not a part of it. If you’re going to go after people on Social Media, that means it doesn’t matter who is right or even what they say, all that matters is who has the bigger following.
2025-11-16 20:51:21
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b :
i don’t think it’s about standing by your word. i think it’s about giving people the space to have their critiques without intervening. dare i say, let people have their A B conversations and C your way out.
2025-11-16 17:03:25
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Justin :
“The author has very opinion…” AAAH I MISPOKE PLEASE DONT MAKE FUN OF ME
2025-11-16 16:55:20
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TheMellieCreature :
I mean, Ebert and Roeper were also being published by major mainstream newspapers and it was a peer criticizing peer situation in terms of power dynamics, especially BECAUSE the internet wasn’t involved so it was easier to keep things from getting out of hand. Elyse decided to sick her parasocial af fanbase on randos on Threads bc they didn’t like her traditionally published book. This *is* established ettiequte in book spaces, and I find it exceedingly odd that people who aren’t typically active in niche communities on the internet think that just because they don’t regularly abide by those niche community’s norms that they are null and void and there’s some sort of internet diplomatic immunity in place when you DO enter those spaces. People talk about BookTok or BookThreads or BookSky bc these are actual subcommunities with community norms. Being on the same platform doesn’t mean we’re all moving and operating in the same ways, and if ANYONE should know that it’s Elyse “You’re Bullying Me For Asking About Palestine” Meyers.
2025-11-17 10:47:43
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Sara :
I think the book world is a little different, people really do stay in their own lanes and it’s been a heated thing in booktok when that reader vs writer space is invaded. HOWEVER, Elyse is such a sweet bean and clearly didn’t mean ill will here. I think it’d be great for people to have more understanding in general. But that’s true across the board 🤣
2025-11-16 19:18:21
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theresaaaaaah :
The review that Elyse was responding to was barely negative and not at all assholish. A traditionally published author has an entire publishing house behind them (that’s not even taking into account Elyse’s massive audience); book reviewers are an extremely niche space and those who do it as a job usually make their money on YouTube. Reviewers have been doxxed, stalked, and harassed when authors get involved. They have there livelihoods affected when an author’s fans perceive good faith critique as an attack and mass report that reviewer’s video. It’s a wildly irresponsible use of their power that leads to self censorship and just plain censorship. Authors simply do not belong in reviewer spaces unless invited in. This is how it works in bookish spaces, which Elyse willingly entered into when becoming an author.
2025-11-17 21:45:58
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ogreclone :
Isnt part of the fun of online creators is that your opinion can reach them and that anyone can talk to them? Am I missing something here? If I wrote something that people love I’d want to talk to them about it good or bad. But that’s not allowed I guess. That’s lame.
2025-11-17 16:23:17
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tiana :
justin we are sooo in agreement. also, i think what people are overlooking is that from the jump she didn’t MEAN to enter the reader space. her theads algorithm happened to populate that particular post so she saw it without seeking it out. she said as much in her response to the initial review and reacted in a singular moment without asking herself “should i do this” (as most folks on the internet tend to not do). her response was also incredibly polite and if any of her fans saw it as an “opportunity” to go after the reviewer, at that point the responsibility is on her viewers not HER. basic internet etiquette should not have to be preached by every content creator to theirs viewers, especially in instances like this where the discourse ties into things elyse never even did
2025-11-17 15:16:08
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AJ Whittier | 📚✏️🎬 :
Okay, but in this specific situation, the reviewer wasnt being a “complete asshole.” And that “incentive to not be an asshole” tows a fine line to people being afraid to honestly review media.
2025-11-16 21:08:50
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jaqofmosttrades :
No because you’re right
2025-11-16 17:01:07
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lauren.vorreiter :
People are discussing this like she went into Goodreads and was responding to reviews in a specific reader space. It was probably not the best choice to respond, but this isn’t infiltrating a reader space, it’s a social media platform. It’s a good reminder that creatives are still people!
2025-11-16 21:19:38
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V :
I agree—the barrier is socially constructed where in the past it was more literal/physical. I think any time you put anything online, you are doing so in a public forum and should be prepared for a response. Even the most benign takes. And if you can’t say it in-person, you probably shouldn’t say it online.
2025-11-16 18:13:48
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Kate Reinking :
Why I make every single one of my videos assuming the cast and crew of shows I review are going to watch them.
2025-11-17 15:55:03
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plumkraken :
also i’m sorry but (only slightly related) idgaf about how large someone’s platform is, if you are shitty or leave bad comments to big creators they’re allowed to call you out. you don’t get to just say shitty things and say they shouldn’t respond to “protect” you. stand on your words or don’t speak!
2025-11-16 18:29:27
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Lucifersdominus :
THANK YOU this fucking discourse has been driving me crazy for YEARS
2025-11-16 19:44:32
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Gavin G :
110%
2025-11-16 17:51:28
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airsick.lowlander :
The context of the written rules by Amazon and Goodreads are the doxxing and stalking that happened in the 2010s. Those written rules have influenced the industry as a whole and it’s considered part of normal author/reviewer etiquette. Authors may feel like they have the right to respond, but that’s the same as a manager inviting themselves to an after work bar hangout. It doesn’t matter that they have good intentions, they just end up making everyone uncomfortable.
2025-11-16 17:25:05
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